Anyways, these are just practice sketches as well as some scenes and faces from my version of Dawn's past. Something about smol mistreated characters just does it for me.
ETA: Apparently you can only put stamps in your description if you're a Core member? Pooh. Well, I'll just say it then: yes, that's a dog there. If you don't like the idea of there being dogs in Zootopia... And people who hate Dawn can just hit the X button at the top right-hand corner of your browser or the back button. Either or. I don't really get why someone would go looking for fan art of Dawn if you dislike her other then you just enjoy getting angry and salivate at the thought of picking a fight with total strangers for liking a cartoon sheep.
People are cray-cray. But you know what's not cray-cray? THIS. This is the shepherd boy to the good sheep of this harsh and racist-against-dog world, I tell you whut. The top left and bottom right drawings are my favorites. I really like how you draw her eyes and give her 'hair' convincing texture and weight. Yep.
But I wish the dog-hating racists would just take a long walk off a short pier. And stop losing sanity over sheep. I'm so tired, actually. I should sleep. Haha, I'll count Dawn to fall asleep.
Thank you! I love her huge adorable eyes and floof. XD
Who's gallery are we talking about?
*If someone wants to do that, they can. I more then likely won't be looking at it though, LOL.
How would she be able to find them on their Honeymoon if she had been in jail, though?
Logic and realism mean zip in this fandom.
It'd be like if someone wrote a fic where Nick and Judy are chasing a suspect, so they summon a dragon, hop on it, and it proceeded to fly them around Zootopia, LOL. I'm someone who picks and chooses what bits of canon to follow as I see fit, and even something like that would make me go, "Wha -- why am I reading furry Game Of Thrones all of a sudden?"
I looked at your meme, and agree with most of the choices there. Personally I don't realy think of Agatha as being a villain myself. I guess to me she was more of... an antagonist or even a force of nature, rather then actively evil? I never hated her or anything though. I definitely agree about Callaghan. Fun fact: he's in my number one spot for favorite Disney villain while Dawn's number two. I love 'em both though! Pretty ironic how they're both hated by people in spite of actually being a little more complex then most Disney villains are and not obvious bad guys (even though there are a few characters like that I like).
I mean, so what if someone likes a character you ("you" as in the Bellwether anti-fans) don't like? Why do these people care so much about what some strangers on the Internet do? If it's not hurting anybody, then just live and let live I say. Thanks for the warning. I've seen him around before. I'm gonna be drawing more Dawn fan art, and if people like him don't like it, then I can't say I care what they think.
The very first wolf in sheep's clothing villain was another lamb named Chirin (Ringing Bell of Chirin) who is on the first list. The movie itself is an allegory on the WWII society using animals as symbols and representations. Makes me wonder if any of the artists or creators saw the film and were inspired to come up with the idea of Bellwether, and no, I doubt she was based on politicians because the film was in production long before the election. Just now I'm tired of all the stupid Hitler and Trump comparisons with Bellwether which drives me insane when people can't shut up about those guys. Well even if Agatha wasn't an evil villain, she was still a sympathetic and tragic character that didn't deserve what happened to her and in most ways, her actions are understandable and justified in a way. Sometimes I don't understand how villains like Randall, Hans, Callaghan, and Bellwether are hated as if people act like their actions really happened, but ignore the actions of other past villains that have done a whole lot worse than they did. Even reformed villains had once murdered, or even attempted murder like Kenshin (Rurouni Kenshin) and Xena: Warrior Princess. Sometimes it just too easy to hate the villains on my list without understanding where they came from and what drove them there, which is what villain haters forget. Not to mention "evil for the sake of being evil" is already overused and cliché, even making their reasons only for money and power, which is also overused.
I know right, I'll never understand the rabid villain haters (when I say rabid, I mean people that tend to take every single villain's actions too seriously and believing all of them deserve to die for being villains, then attack other people who love villains they don't personally) must look up villains or heroes they hate personally and bother wondering what strangers online think about them enough to create fandoms for those guys. I once got attacked by someone for mentioning I love Bellwether and he/she took it like I was supporting real life terrorism. You're welcome, usually I'm not the one to spread rumors or gossip about someone, but when I take notice of someone's nasty attitude toward others, I feel that I must spread a warning one way or another. If any of his remarks begin to sound more like insults, it must be dealt with and can't be tolerated. I already had him insulting three of my friends over Bellwether.
With Dawn's backstory, I wanted to do something different instead of her being bullied in school. I’m not bashing on that idea if fans want to do that/like it, but I just like to be different from everybody else. So I came up with the idea of her being a product of divorce. Her overbearing mother detested her husband’s new wife (a predator) and told Dawn her stepmother was responsible for taking her father away from them. Then Dawn wound up in a relationship with a predator (the dog guy) that ended very badly. No abuse or anything, it just ended badly and that was her breaking point.
I’ve never seen Ringing Bell of Chirin before, but heard a little about it. I’d be curious to know how the creators originated Dawn's character too. I did read that her design was based on some previous sheep characters in Disney animation. I also heard about people comparing Dawn to Trump, which is stupid. At first glance the Hitler comparison makes a tad more sense -- until you sit down and really think about it. He and Dawn are totally different. She operated on spreading fear, while Hitler was outright wiping out anyone who didn’t live up to the ideals of the Aryan race. So no... not similar.
Well even if Agatha wasn't an evil villain, she was still a sympathetic and tragic character that didn't deserve what happened to her and in most ways, her actions are understandable and justified in a way.
Oh no, I never said that I didn’t find her character unsympathetic or anything. Just that I never really thought of her as a villain.
This is a theory, but I think what it is that these more complex villains are too human-like. it's easier for people to sympathize with crazy, over-the-top characters like Joker and Jafar because they’re so.... well cartoonish and far removed from reality, versus more down-to-earth characters motivated by prejudice or feelings of sadness, bitterness, revenge, etc. Jafar and Joker are also clear-cut bad guys, whereas our dear sheep, Callaghan, etc aren’t, and that confuses and upsets fans because it takes too much thinking to process what they're seeing. I’ll just copy and paste what my friend because I think she hit the problem on the head XD: "It's also harder to project whatever you want onto a villain who is more complex. It also throws our whole black and white thinking of good vs evil into question even if we don't actively acknowledge it.”
Also, in the case of Zootopia, I’ve come to notice a bunch of fans are really obsessed with Judy and Nick. Judy’s my second favorite character in the film, but the fanbase takes their love to an uncomfortable level. Anyone who threatens her or Nick is a source of pure undiluted evil, and to them, Bellwether is just that.
Even reformed villains had once murdered, or even attempted murder like Kenshin (Rurouni Kenshin) and Xena: Warrior Princess.
People conveniently forget about stuff like that, especially if they’re trying to prove how right they are.
Funnily enough, I’m more of a hero fan then a villain fan. I actually don't mind villains who are evil for the sake of being evil, but that totally depends on the story being told. Different plots require different types of villains, yknow? I do think that you can’t judge every single villain by the same merits though.
I once got attacked by someone for mentioning I love Bellwether and he/she took it like I was supporting real life terrorism.
That’s crazy. I notice people are far more receptive towards female villains if they're attractive. I’m willing to bet you anything that if Dawn was more traditionally pretty (I certainly don’t think she's ugly or anything, but she isn’t designed like the typical gorgeous female character either) these same detractors would be slobbering all over her. I'm kind of conflicted with people like that. On one hand I don’t like giving them attention, which is precisely what a bunch of them want when they lash out at others the way they do. But on the other, they do need to get called out. Maybe you guys just need to block him.
You can find Ringing Bell of Chirin on YouTube which really will make you cry to see how the main character starts from being born a lamb until he grows into a wolf in sheep's clothing. Since it is supposed to be an allegory of the WWII society, Chirin is supposed to represent the loss of innocence and childhood snatched away from children who were around at that time, losing mothers and loved ones, even a backlash against the actions of the Emperor who sent families out into a war they never wanted to be a part of. I remember all the sheep from past Disney shorts, and I made a drawing with Chirin and Dawn in it together. Of course it is stupid and shallow comparing Dawn Bellwether to Hitler and Trump. Those guys only hate a certain group of people for no real reason other than political agenda, money, power, and world domination. It's also sickening to ever think of Dawn ever falling for a man who has been married three times and doesn't care for anyone but himself and I seriously doubt Dawn would ever share his ideals with him, because she is nothing like those two guys because it is not only money and power she was after. I hate using real life comparisons with Dawn Bellwether, because her ideals are different. Hitler started on concentration camps, and killing of babies, children, and families, making himself known right away. Trump, I doubt ever wants to do good for this country, but too bad the idiots here voted for him in the first place, now who knows what other countries will think of us after this. I prefer using fictional villains for comparisons, or for differences in how they start their reign of terror, like Fire Lord Ozai and Kuvira, responsible for real mass genocide once placed in power, and even make themselves known rather than doing it all too slowly. Dawn has nothing in common with those guys either.
Oh actually I only mean to say that whether or not Agatha was truly a villain of the film or antagonist, I still wanted to add her on the list and give reasons why felt sympathy for her. And to be honest, I never feel sympathy for any pure evil monsters like Freddy Kreuger, Joker, Jafar, Ursula, Riddler, Fire Lord Ozai, Kuvira, or even King Candy/Turbo, as there is nothing sympathetic about any of them. The villains on my list have been chosen as more sympathetic and understanding once you hear their story on what motivated for them to do what they did, even the ones like Chirin, Bellwether, Randall Boggs, Lord Shen (still think they should have used the other background story that made his descent into madness a lot more sense instead of the same evil for the sake of it cliché), Baby Doll, Two Face, Mr. Freeze, Agatha, Phantom of the Opera, and Callaghan, including the ones in the honorable mentions down below. It always pains and saddens me to hear their story and that they were not born evil, but were motivated into that path by many things that they did not understand.
Well I have nothing against people shipping Nick and Judy, but to treat it to a degree where a villain like Bellwether deserves to die, just for being a villain. I don't know why they have to take it like that when there were so many unanswered questions going on after the conference meeting when it was mentioned the 27th attack. Off screen moments that raised more questions than answers. But that doesn't mean I don't love heroes as much as I love villains in movies, comics, games, television and books. Some villains who are evil for the sake of it I can tolerate, but not when some studios try to expect us to believe that with almost every single villain when most of them give us more than one clue that they are more than what they seem.
Of course it's crazy for someone to think I'm supporting real terrorism just because I love Dawn Bellwether, especially when there have been other fictional villains that are responsible for the same crimes, but did far worse than she did. Dawn may not be human, but she is beautiful to me. Oh don't worry, we already know how to block people that give us a hard time or just won't stop with whatever crap they throw on us. Sometimes we'll call out on them when we need to, even when protecting our friends. But I don't do it to give them attention, I only do when I think they need it, and after that, I just warn my friends and others to avoid spamming or trolling on their page in the future.
You can find Ringing Bell of Chirin on YouTube which really will make you cry to see how the main character starts from being born a lamb until he grows into a wolf in sheep's clothing.
I'm still gonna watch that movie! Things have been kind of busy around here, so I haven't gotten around to tackling it yet. People... ship Dawn and Trump? Or did I misunderstanding you?
I hate using real life comparisons with Dawn Bellwether, because her ideals are different. Hitler started on concentration camps, and killing of babies, children, and families, making himself known right away.
Actually, the concentration camps didn't come around until later, after Hitler had reached power and after a rising series of hostile actions and violence against Jews. But I know what you meant. No, Dawn wasn't promising to return Zootopia to power/or "make it great again." She didn't want to murder predators or throw anyone into a concentration camp (plus she was only the mayor. How could she even have that kind of power??). You also never heard her say that she thought non-predators were superior. So the Hitler/Trump comparisons are even stupider and flimsier when you break them down.
I prefer using fictional villains for comparisons, or for differences in how they start their reign of terror, like Fire Lord Ozai and Kuvira, responsible for real mass genocide once placed in power, and even make themselves known rather than doing it all too slowly. Dawn has nothing in common with those guys either.
That makes more logical sense. I agree that Dawn's not like those villains either.
Oh actually I only mean to say that whether or not Agatha was truly a villain of the film or antagonist, I still wanted to add her on the list and give reasons why felt sympathy for her.
Understandable! The best kinds of villains are the ones you can look at and understand their actions. IHMO, of course. And it really bugs me that people feel more sympathy for characters like Scar, Maleficent, Frollo, etc and try to excuse their actions, but then turn around hate and characters like Dawn and Callaghan. The other villains you mentioned seemed more well-liked for whatever reasons (or at least don't get as much hate aimed their way AFAIK).
People can ship Nick and Judy if that's what they like. I have my own ship preferences, but don't care what other people do. I was just pointing out that I've noticed a number of fans who act like Nick and Judy are the only characters in the entire film and obsess hardcore over them/pairing them. Like God help you if Dawn's your favorite or you want to pair Judy with someone who's not Nick. There are perfectly normal folks out there who like them I'm sure, but the crazies are always more noticeable. I need to actually go out and buy the movie to see that scene you're referring to, since I don't recall the fine details. But yeah, people go overboard. For example, I just recently saw this fic about Dawn and Doug getting executed on live TV. It was really...
I hope nobody actually tried to make that argument, because it really demonstrates an incredible level of ignorance and childishness. Exactly. Demona from Gargoyles is another villain who hates a different species (humans) and is easily a hundred times worst then Dawn ever was in the film. Like she's actually an out-and-out mass murderer. Yet she's beloved by a bunch of people, in part because she looks/dresses like this: s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/o… Sexy characters can get away with a lot.
But I don't do it to give them attention, I only do when I think they need it, and after that, I just warn my friends and others to avoid spamming or trolling on their page in the future.
Oh, okay. Well that's good.
If you can't find "Ringing Bell of Chirin" on YouTube, you can find it on KissAnime. I made a crossover image of Dawn standing next to him in my gallery to show how much they both have in common deep down. Chirin was the first wolf in sheep's clothing way before Bellwether. Not only does the sad and heartbreaking film reveal how villains were once innocent children, but how it's a hidden message during the post WWII society with Chirin representing the loss of innocence and childhood after his mother is killed tragically, the same that also happened with the children in Japan during that dark time, and what could never be regained. Goes to show that war and killing gets us nowhere, even when watching "Barefoot Gen" and "Grave of the Fireflies".
Well there were users that wouldn't stop comparing Bellwether to Trump just because he is a real life politician, but in truth shares nothing in common with her, otherwise if he were responsible for such terrible crimes himself, he would be in prison instead of running for president. It got so out of control and terribly annoying that sometimes I had to tell that other person to shut up about Trump already, and even made rules forbidding talks about Hitler and Trump on my page whenever it comes to Bellwether. I have to say some foolish user dared to draw Bellwether shaking hands with Trump while having hearts above her, falling in love with a guy who married three times, is already married and not to mention that such a stupid pairing can never be, because it goes against the laws of nature and I believe it was drawn as just another excuse to keep up with the moronic Trump comparisons that those people can't shut up about. They just want to compare that bonebag with every fictional villain when not everyone wants to hear about him.
Precisely, if she was mayor, then why would anyone trust her to just handle predators the hard way as if they were not of value like anyone else? Also I doubt she would have gotten away with such horrific, dictatorship, and cruel ideals that long if it resulted to illegal methods the same as Lionheart, despite his good intentions. I still don't understand what is it with people using Hitler and Trump comparisons when it comes to Bellwether. Sure she might have used fear as a malevolent tool, but the worst she still could have done to all the missing predators as keep them hidden in some kind of secluded area to later release onto a public street and use as her own personal weapons, and she didn't bring up any mentions of concentration camps, TAME collars, or gas chambers like Hitler did. I doubt the ZPD would follow all that from the mayor without question that easily and not arrest her sooner after that, if it were true. So many things happened off screen after the conference meeting that raises a lot of questions unanswered about her so-called villainy, or if her rams went against her wishes on who not to target and where to avoid certain areas. Even Villains WIKIA and Disney WIKIA pages do not give a clear answer why she hates predators, but only say something about their numbers in population which doesn't make any sense, so that's not a real answer. I know she's from the same background as Nick and Judy, but had it a lot worse than they did, all of it coming from predators.
It's also ridiculous to say Dawn Bellwether is more evil than Ursula, Jafar, Maleficent, Chernabog, Cruella, Scar, Fire Lord Ozai, Hama the Bloodbender, and Kuvira, including a lot more evil DreamWorks villains that are in truth more evil, sadistic, sociopathic, and diabolical than she is. Even if a villain like Scar might have had one or two tragic events in his life, she still resulted to doing what he had done in gaining the throne at Pride Rock and with everything becoming a desolate wasteland under his domain and had no regard for those that were supposed to look up to him since he was their king. They meant nothing to him according to the song "The Madness of King Scar". Maleficent deserves no sympathy for anything as there is no clear explanation for her evil or reasoning for cursing Aurora, and neither do the earliest Disney villains, even if some of them are still may favorites. As for Fire Lord Ozai, he was always such an arrogant tool, even at the youngest age, following in the footsteps of his grandfather Sozin and father Azulon, and favored his daughter Azula over Zuko since she was second rate just like he had been to Iroh, so we see where Princess Azula got her devilish behavior from. Once placed in power, he started his reign of terror to later conquer the other nations through mass genocide as a true tyrannical dictator does and never went down that easily until the very last episode. Bellwether never stooped to that kind of level as he did. She never had any attempts to target a school zone and never aimed at predator children. can tell you all that.
It's just too easy to pass off Bellwether as evil for the sake of it, wanting nothing more than money and power, which is not how I see it. I know she is from a background of prejudice, bullying, and abuse that resulted to her taking part in the night howler scandal. I gathered all the clues I could find in the film that have me suspecting she is not all she seems by the end, even taking this from the advice and analyzing by a close friend. That is why I added her on my meme of villains I feel sorry for, the others who also didn't start out villainous, but were driven onto that path by tragic consequences. I can never understand why users hate Bellwether for being a twist villain while give the other far worst villains a free pass, the ones that have done far worse damage than she did. Maybe it is because I know how it feels to be bullied and scarred by so much cruelty that would explain why I feel sympathy for tragic villains. While I don't have much of a problem with people pairing Nick and Judy together, some of those hardcore fans seems to have a bad problem with others pairing Judy with someone else and hate Bellwether as if she were a real person and act like her actions really happened. If Dawn Bellwether were my favorite villain, one of the villains I feel sympathy for enough to draw fan art of her, someone is going to treat it like I'm in support of real terrorism, which is an outrage. I know of that fic where someone wrote a terrible story of Dawn and Doug being executed on live television which barbaric, even for Zootopia. She doesn't deserve that at all.
I remember Demona from "Gargoyles" and I did sympathize with her situation at the beginning where we find out what happened to her ever since the others were trapped in a spell for a thousand years. But for some reason, I agreed with what she said about the humans being ungrateful and prejudice, that I questioned why bother with those who do not want to show any gratitude if all they wanna do is see savage monsters instead of defenders of the castle. I could see where she was coming from, but not when she just turned against her companions out of the blue instead of wanting to make peace with them. But she did result to murder and denied that she had a daughter, such as Angela. Then there is the very last episode of her where she is just teary and heartbroken, it leaves a cliffhanger of what will happen to her from now on. People love her, despite all the damage she has done, yet hate Bellwether for being chosen as the twist villain to make a point? I'll never understand. But I won't let that stop me from making fan art of Bellwether. She needs me.
If you can't find "Ringing Bell of Chirin" on YouTube, you can find it on KissAnime.
Cool, thank you!
Even Villains WIKIA and Disney WIKIA pages do not give a clear answer why she hates predators, but only say something about their numbers in population which doesn't make any sense, so that's not a real answer.
That's where the fun begins. We can all theorize about why she is the way she to our heart's content.
And no, I don't think Dawn is so far gone that she'd want to hurt/kill a child either. In fact, a story idea that I think would be interesting is if she found a carnivore child (preferably not a canine or a feline -- I feel like those species are overused in this fandom at this point) and starts raising him/her.
Great artwork, though! Makes me curious about what you have in mind for Ms. Bellwether's past. I'm a little on the fence about there being dogs in Zootopia, since dogs are supposed to be domesticated descendants of wolves, and since humans never existed in Zootopia... but then again, this *is* fanart/fanwork. Plus it hasn't been confirmed whether or not domesticated animals *can* exist in that world, so right now you have a free reign. x)
Btw, the dog reminds me of Blitz. xD
The sketch of her acting all twitterpatted is just that. I left it up to viewer interpretation who she could be looking at/thinking about, but in my mind she's making bedroom eyes at one of her cohorts in DND. I think you know who, LOL.
Ohohohohoho, I think I know whom you're talking about.